Kevbo wrote:
"The question of: "Is any sin you do a rejection of God?" has come up in other posts. It's something that I dunno. It does take rejection of God to sin, because you are turning against God. But at the same time, we are covered by God's grace in our failures. Can anyone help answer this?
Kevin"


I thought this was a good way to start out this post...I have long pondered this thought...I personaly believe that any sin we don't physically ask for forgiveness for can send us to hell...but others say that grace covers your future failures too....which way is scirptually right????




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Heb. 12:29- For our God is a consuming fire.

any sin will send us to hell. the Bible says that the penalty for sin is death. death being separated from God. but through the grace and grace alone we are forgiven by God who sent His son to die in our place. He died for our sins of the past, our sin that we commit now, and the sins we will commit in the future. it doesn't matter if we ask for forgiveness. it only matters if we accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior who died for us. Romans 10:9-10. sin is not the rejection of God. i am saved, accepted God into my life and His Son as my Savior, but i still sin. the rejection of God is the blasphemy of the Spirit, which is the unforgivable sin. the only sin that Jesus will not cover up. that is the sin that will be judged before God when you die or when He returns, which ever comes first. but that doesn't mean we should sin because we have the grace of God upon us. we should live as God has told us to live as to please Him and store up treasure in Heaven. ask forgiveness of sin and ask for strength to turn from that sin and repent.

Hmm... That does bring a little light to the question freeatlast. Funny, I knew all that, but it really helps a lot when someone tells you over again.

I'm still confused on something though. You stated that sin does not equal rejection of God. What do you mean? In order for us to sin, we must reject what God is asking us to do (which is obey) and go ahead and do it anyways (In our OWN will). This to me is rejection.

Also, God is everything but sin and everything that is not God is sin. Now, to embrace sin and do it, you are rejecting everything God is.

Do I have some sort of messed up logic? Still could use some answers. Yours was good freeatlast, really good. I'm just having a tough time understanding all your logic.

Kevin

(NASB)Galatians 5
19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things WILL NOT inherit the kingdom of God.

ok......so....this scripture states that if we practice these things we won't go to Heaven....so...this is why I don't believe in once saved always saved.....If we commit one sin and still have a repentant heart...then we repent as soon as we sin....but if we don't repent immidiatly...then we continue under the bondage of that sin...therefore....I believe that is the same as praticing that sin...after all why would you not repentant if you were planning on not doing it again??

Just my thoughts....

Laterz & Love,
CNB

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Heb. 12:29- For our God is a consuming fire.

-Kevbo-
>>>Also, God is everything but sin and everything that is not God is sin. Now, to embrace sin and do it, you are rejecting everything God is.<<<

i understand what you are saying here. let's use this for an example:

your father tells you to be home by 10 pm. but you come home at 11:30 pm. and not just one night but for a whole 2 weeks. he has told you repeatedly to come home at 10 pm. even though you don't listen do you reject him as your father? no, you just reject that rule he has set for you.


>>>Also, God is everything but sin and everything that is not God is sin. Now, to embrace sin and do it, you are rejecting everything God is.<<<

true, on some level. to embrace sin is to reject God. but if you sin but do not sin willingly, or understand that you have sinned and need forgiveness by Jesus, it is not embracing sin. to embrace sin you must know you sin and not feel you need forgiveness and continue to sin the same way. many people do this because it may be a "little" sin. it may be a little confussing.

ChristianNBlack
galations 5:22-26 tells us what the fruits of the Spirit is. we walk in these ways, whether they are the fruits of the flesh or the Spirit. if you read Galations 5:16-26, it tells you how to walk in the Spirit so you won't walk in the flesh. yes those who walk in the flesh are not going to Heaven, IF they do not know Jesus as their Savior.

freeatlast....
ok...I know what that whole chp. is about...but...you said
"yes those who walk in the flesh are not going to Heaven, IF they do not know Jesus as their Savior."

that is not what the bible says...the bible says
"just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things WILL NOT inherit the kingdom of God."

it doesn't allow room for exceptions..it says if you walk in the flesh you don't go to Heaven....you can know Jesus Christ and then fall back into sin and walk in the flesh again...and then go to hell because of it...I see no scripture to back up the belief that once you are saved you are always saved...I believe that salvation can be lost....just as you can take your own life physically...you can take your own life spiritually......also.....I hope the reason you put the words 'little sin' in quots was because you relize that in God's eyes all sin is sin....no sin is worse..they are all the same....a lie is as bad as a murder....

in love,
CNB

i don't see any verse in the bible that says you can lose your salvation either. can you remember every sin you committed? i can't, but God can. the bible says that we were forgiven of all sins. if you receive Jesus as you Savior, it's a done deal. the bible says we are sealed with the Holy Spirit. Jesus died for our sins. He took the punishment so we would never have to pay for our sins ourselves. the bible tells us to live life the way God has called us to, to stay away from the life we used to live, but if we fall back in, God will forgive us because Jesus already died for that sin.

freeatlast...

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.

that's really the only scripture I can think of....how can you depart from the faith if ya never had it...I guess I could be wrong...but ya know....I could be right too.....won't know for sure till we get there....

Laterz & Love,
CNB

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Heb. 12:29- For our God is a consuming fire.

well, i know a lot of friends who have fallen away from the faith. the bible even has a term for it, backslidden. infact, i have even been backslidden. but the bible is clear that we are saved once we accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior. Romans 10:9-10. and that He came to saves us no matter what. John 3:16-18. you're right, we will not know until we get there. God reviels things to us differently. we can each look at one verse and see totally different meansing, then a year later look at the same verse and see totally different meanings again. God tells us the truth of what He want us to know. we shouldn't fight over the little things but agree that Jesus saves and that's all that matter.

I disagree: God gave a choice and He will respect that choice, even if it's the wrong one. For that reason, I don't think He will 'drag anyone kicking and screaming' into heaven'.