Hi all! I registered today and found this thread right away. I must say right away that I love that forums like this do exist, and that people take time to type their opinions down... Kepp up the good work you all!

ok, but to the answers: I think, as many have said before, that christian metal is just another way of praising our Lord. That it would be sinful due to it's agressive nature I can't believe. The reason it is seen as noise is that it is still a sort of subcultural genre of music so it has not been fully accepted. I think all of us would agree that christian pop is ok(?). But it would have started the same discussion as we are having now if it was introduced in the seventeenth century.

I think that praising must be personal and that we have to develop all the time in our ways of praising so that we won't get stuck in routine.

Keep the fire burning for God!
Bless!

listening to certian types of music doesnt dishonor all parents. I didnt honor my parents when I was in high school several different ways, but music definatly wasnt one of them. Even though I wasnt christian at the time, I listened to christian metal. And my parents were ok with that, as long as I kept it reasonable in the house or confined to my car. I think most of the reason they were ok with it is they figured it was better that I listen to the christian stuff than the secular stuff.

also, i'm sure you've heard the saying "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" it's also in the ear of the beholder.
I've heard music that I thought was complete garbage (rap and hip-hop for example) and I have a friend that uses both of those types of music to witness and lead teenagers to Christ.
pretty much, music is amoral, it had a lack of good or bad morals. but when placed in the hands of a human, it takes on that human's characteristics. and then it can be used for the glory of God's kingdom or it can be used for the purpose of the world.

Anyone care to research what Satan did while he was in heaven? I think you will find it very, very interesting what his job was before he fell.

Blessings,

Mark

worship leader?

yeah so.....he is a genius with music i'd imagine,,, perhaps even the first 'person' to deal with music in the history of eternity? maybe.....uhhh.....
i want to hear what youve got to say about it, cuz i dont see why that would be a problem,,does that mean he created all the music that we have?

*waits*

Wow. I didn't expect an answer so soon. Yep, he was the worship leader. He is a genious with music and it has had great influence in our society.

For every Godly thing, there is a satanic substitute.

When the church began restricting the kind of music that could be used to worship God, the enemy moved in and provided a substitute for the enemy to use to lure kids and adults.

Wouldn't it be great if Christianity so embraced music, that it was at the forefront of musical development? Then when some new rebellious rock group came long, kids might say "that sounds too Christian for me". LOL!

OK, I have blathered along long enough. Here's the point. Music is very powerful. In Psalms, we are even told to worship God with music. No words, just music in some Psalms. Music has an impact. It can greatly influence us. What we must be aware of is the spirit behind the music. If the music is meant to glorify God, then we can enjoy it in peace. I think Christian rock may fit that mold. If it is meant to be rebellious, then we need to watch out. Music is much more influential than many are willing to admit. And Satan has taken full advantage of the power of music and his giftings, to influence youngsters to the max. All the while using another lie in the church that all nontraditional music is of the devil! This double attack has left many musicians with callings of God upon their life with, in their opinion, no where left to turn but the enemy. God gifted them with the music to sing praises to his name. But they were deceived into playing for the devil.

People call it freedom. I call it bondage. The question really isn't what kind of music is a group playing. The real question is who is playing the group and producing the music.

Blessings,

Mark

I kept waiting for someone to respond to this but no one did. I am not a listener of Christian metal and therefor, cannot speak to it's influence on me. I have learned through the years that music can influence my emotions. Sometimes, I listen to aggressive Christian music because I want to feel like it is demon butt kicking time. Folk songs like "Mighty Warrior" come to mind when I am in this mood.

OK, metal listeners, what kind of emotions does Christian metal evoke in you? I would like to hear the good and the bad. I think my previous post shows you don't have to convince me if God uses metal, I believe he does. The enemy also uses it. My question now is, does Christian metal create desires of rebellion like the hard metal from the MTV? Or does it create any other "negative" emotions in you? If so, please explain them and the positive emotions.

Thanks,

Mark

christian metal makes me agressive because its just awful...ahahaha..

metal on a whole, perhaps i am just desensitized to it but.. it doesent make me feel agressive unless im already feeling agressive or angry about something, and there are certain lyrical contents that one should avoid. There are alot in the mainstream that are very agressive but i think it affects people different..as anything does...

there is alot of beautiful music in it also.
i wouldnt generally say that the mainstream is 'beautiful' like.. a sunset is beautiful, the moon is beautiful.. aurora borealis is beautiful,, slipknot isnt beautiful, korn isnt beautiful (mainstream stuff) manson isnt beautiful (i guess that depends on how you look at it..uh oh dont hang me..everbody bashes him and i dont like what he does either, but i can relate to what he is doing because i was like that too..not as much but mindset and some actions) and there are definately some very ugly bands that i dont like...
but there are some extremely melodic, symphonic 'metal' bands out there.

as for what positive effects it has on people...mmm...im not quite sure what positive effects any kind of music has on anybody... not just saying that, i cant think of any positive effects of any music.

i have a question though, is it just me or has anybody else seen that all the 'great' and creative music of this century, namely 50s, 60s, 70s up till now..the shift from modernism to post modernism,,,, uhm, why cant christians make good 'revolutionary' music? all the 'revolutionary' musicians were all on LSD and other drugs from the 50s right through the 80s...(especially in the 'rock scene' i guess..ive only ever payed attention to the history of 'rock' when it came out of blues in the 40s till now)
we have the creator of music on our side, is it that he doesent want us to make good music???
or is it that in order to make good music you have to have your 'mind expanded' with drugs to be creative.... what is it???
is it that satan himself orchestrated all the modern music that we have from the 40s till now???? and that christians are now trying to 'redeem' that music, poorly....

what does anybody think...

Hi OLD, did you read my first of the two post above? I tried to answer some of those questions.

The enemy has lied to the church saying that "traditional music is good" and "nontraditional music is Satanic". That more or less leaves him as the only "creative" force in that style of music.

Manson is demonized. I don't think there is really any debate about secularized heavy metal. It is demonic. However, for the saved that style of music can be great.

There are certainly positive aspects of music. God even tells us to use music to enhance our emotions. He tells us that we should sing hymns when we are happy and such. Also, we are to replace a spirit of heaviness with a spirit of praise. Music often accompanied praise in the OT. I read that to say when I am discouraged to find an uplifting song to help encourage my heart.

Praise can also be used as a powerful weapon of warfare. When Saul was demonized, the only time he got help was when David played the harp. The demons couldn't stand it and they would leave Saul for a period of time.

There is no doubt that music is highly spiritual in nature. As I said before, the question isn't really what style of music is the band playing. The real question is what kind of spirit is playing the band.

Blessings,

Mark

well ive got no argument with that!!
i dont have any argument with anything youve said really..

Hi, Mark. Glad you joined in! Couldn't agree more. It seems to me everything is said.

Bless